Excellent job last week in not repeating what others had said. Thank you.
This week there is a two part answer again:
1. Write a quote from Antigone and reflect on how it relates to the play, its themes, characters, or ideas.
2. Reflect on the poem "Jocasta." What new insight did the poem offer you concerning the plot of Oedipus. This will be difficult to not repeat what others have said, but I think you can do it.
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Breanna Taylor
ReplyDelete"Do you confess this thing?/I do. I deny nothing"
I thought this was an important part of the play because I feel like the them is tragedy, and saying this truth is what sentences her to death, which kills the souls of many such as her sister and her husband. It also shows the honor antigone has and pride because she honors his brother and admits it, and sacrifices her soul, its showing that the most important thing in the world is not life, it is in fact honor.
The Jocasta poem offered alot of insight on what Jacasta was feeling during he play. It made me get a better understanding ofthe cruelness of the gods, and I get her story and understand why she said and did the things she did. It is the diary of the damned.
Anna Billmaier
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1) "Your edict, King, was strong,/But all your strength is weakness itself against/The immortal unrecorded laws of God./They are not merely now: they were, and shall be,/Operative for ever, beyond man utterly." (page 208)
This quote is spoken by Antigone and it is important to the theme of this story because she is standing up against the law to do what she feels is right. One of the main questions throughout this story is when should you obide by law and when you should do what you feel is right and obide by your moral standards. In this case, Antigone felt that her brother deserved a proper burial. Despite the fact that King Creon outlawed the burial of her brother, she buried him and accepted the punishment because she would have rather died with honor and done what she felt was right rather than leaving her brother unburied.
2) I thought the poem "Jocasta" was interesting because it gave one opinion on the explaination of why Jocasta may have been blinded to the fact that Oedipus was her son. One theory that it gave was that Josata thought Oedipus was killed as an infant so there could have been no possible way, despite the many obvious signs, that her son Oedipus was her current husband. I believe that Jocasta really didn't know that her son and her husband were one in the same because I don't believe she would have killed herself if she had prior knowledge of this fact because she killed herself even before anyone else knew the truth about Oedipus.
Crystal Nybo
ReplyDelete"And yet, as men's heart know, I have done no wrong, I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, I shall know the truth in death." (pg 228)
1. Antigone is split between the choice of a burial for her brother or obeying the law that Creon has created. Antigone believes that the God are supportive of the burial and that their say is greater then Creons. Throughout these plays the power and the fate of the people are in the hands of the Gods. I believe that this is an important theme and no matter what the people do the Gods will have their way. I believe Antigone picked wisely because in the end only the Gods thoughts on the matter count.
2. The Poem Jocasta also was an example of the Gods power. There were so many signs right in front of Jocastas face telling her that Oedipus was her son and what she was doing was wrong. But, Jocasta explains that the Gods blinded her to the fact of his resemblance to Laios, his ankles, and the Gods gave her youth during that time. This statement give us a better understanding of how Jocasta did not see what was right in front of her the whole time. To me this poem made Jocasta more respectable and I can see her side to the story more clearly.
Garrett Johnson
ReplyDelete"Nothing you can say can tough me any more./ My own blind heart has brought me/ From darkness to final darkness. Here you see/ The father murdering, the murdered son-/ And all my civic wisdom!" (Creon 242)
1. The body of Haimon is presented to Creon right before this quote, and Creon finally comes to sense when he sees the body. Early in the story Creon makes a law that Haimon cannot be buried, and Antigone is prepared to die in order to get her brother buried. Creon is very set in the law that he makes, and when confronted by Antigone he acts almost as Oedipus did in the way that he becomes very defensive. This quote is the turning point for Creon admitting he was wrong to not have Haimon buried. He realizes that he was the fool, and that Haimon died for him.
2. In the poem of Jocasta it displayed to me how the gods ruled her fate. The fact that she was blinded by the gods says to me that the gods have complete control in Jocasta's fate. Whether or not she was truely blind or not is not something that I can be sure of, but 'blind' does not have to be literal. I believe that Jocasta was more 'blind in love'. When she met Oedipus she simply could not see that he was her son because she had such strong feelings for him.
Christine Nafziger
ReplyDelete“You have made your choice, you can be what you want to be. But I will bury him; and if I must die, I say that this crome is holy: I shall lie down with him in death, and I shall be as dear to him as he to me. It is the deas, not the living who make the longest demand:we die for ever … you must do as you like, since apparently the laws of the gods mean nothing to you.” (page 192)
This is the quote that shows the overall theme of Antigone. Antigone’s brothers died but only one got to have a burial while the other did not. The one that did not get a burial went against the country but Antigone disagrees with Creon law. Creon made a law that stated everyone must leave Polyneuces. Antigone wants to right by her brother and by the gods law. Antigone is trying to convince her sister Ismene to help her bury their brother but Ismene is disagreeing with what she is saying. Antigone does not care what happened to her, she just does not wants her brother to just lie in a field and rot. The rest of the book continues to talk about how Creon should resolve this problem. Also, this quote shows that Antigone cares about her brother and is willing to do anything for him. She is brave enough to risk her own life to give her brother a proper burial.
In the poem “Jocasta” it gives us new insights into why she did not know that Oedipus was her son. Even though she says that Oedipus complained about how his ankles hurt to her she did not think anything of it. Jocasta thought that her son was killed as an baby so her husband ankles hurting was not a sign to her. She did not pay attention to him when he said this because if she had, Jocasta might have figured out that he was her son. This poem helped me understand how Jocasta did not see how Oedipus was not her son.
Gina Chenoweth
ReplyDelete“That is the truth; but you were late in learning it.” (242)
This quote is from when Creon sees the dead body of his son, Haimon. He is cursing his poor judgement to Choragos. This is slightly ironic because it shows that it does not matter if you realize you have made a mistake if you don’t have enough time left to fix it. By the time Creon realized any fault, his son was already dead. There is a clear difference between becoming aware or your own wrong doing, and being aware, and able to clean up your mess. A common theme for the book is self-awareness. None of the characters seem to have any idea who they are, or what they are doing, until it is too late.
The poem of Jocaste showed how Jocaste was okay with marrying someone else right after her husband died. In the book Oedipus Rex, it was unclear why Jocaste married and had children with someone so much younger and different from Laios. After reading the poem, it is apparent that the two had an extremely bad marriage and for Laios to die, meant Jocaste was basically set free.
"Fortunate is the man who has never tasted God's vengence!/Where once the anger of heaven has struch, that house is shaken/ For ever: damnation rises behind each child..." (Chorus, pg. 215)
ReplyDeleteThroughout Antigone, Socrates makes the power of God abundantly clear. He says that God is the one who has control over ones fate and that he is spiteful and if a person has done wrong, his entire family will feel the echoes of his or her wrongdoings. To me this is really important in understanding how strongly people of Socrates' time held their beliefs in fate and their religious values.
The poem "Jocasta" helps show why the character of Jocasta killed herself in the play Oedipus Rex. The deep shame and sickening truth that Jocasta faced after figuring out that she had married and bore children with her own son was too much for her to handle and gives the reader of the poem insight as to why she became suicidal.
Sarah Hale:)
ReplyDelete“Then I do not pray any more: the sky is deaf.” –Choragos pg. 244
This quote is powerful in the way that once you reread it to yourself a couple more times, you realize deeper meaning behind the dense statement. By analyzing the conversation with Creon and Choragos, around the quote with, we are able to determine that the quote is sinister metaphor. Creon has lost all hope because Antigone went against his public word and buried her brother Polyneices, therefore he must kill her because that’s what is meant to do when a person takes such actions against the king. Daughter or not, Creon had no choice but to wish Antigone away to death, and inside (as it would to any father) it completely crushed him. This quote exemplifies the harshness of reality that Creon must face, because in the line above when Choragos tells him to, “Leave the future to itself,” he weeps, “All my heart was in that prayer!” Choragos then powerfully tells Creon to pray no longer, because the sky (referring to the Gods) is no longer listening. Creon has come to a realization that he is to drown in his own fate.
Reflecting back on the poem “Jocasta” I feel as though I learned some subtle details about her true character in Oedipus Rex. As labeled in class, I take a very realist view on the topic of Jocasta committing a “blinded act” of incest. Throughout the poem Jocasta admits how she was abused emotionally and physically by her husband, how he treated her terribly and cheated on her with a young boy. Jocasta also admits to being “blinded by the Gods” so that she had been so mortified by events leading up to the marriage of Oedipus, that the Gods literally blinded her from the realization that Oedipus was in fact her son. Now, with all the small hints that Jocasta even admits to taking note of, (the irony of the pained ankles, great similarities in appearance between Laios and Oedipus, the timing of events, the age of young Oedipus) I feel no sorrow for her and her actions. Although it lead to a cursed and deranged life, Jocasta should have been able to put two and two together and realize the great paradox of her situation. This poem makes me sympathize even less than I already had for Jocasta; excuses are undesirable.
Gina Tuthill
ReplyDelete"but Polyneies/Who lies where he so miserable fell,/They say a proclamation to the people/Forbids that any man should veil his corpse/Within the tomb, or utter wailings for him;/But orders that he lie umwept, unburied/ A welcome stor of food laid up for the birds/Whenso their greedy eyes desire a banquet(page 7)." -Anitgone
1.I used an online book to get this quote, so it's not exactly the same at what we read in the book, but it's pretty close. This is where Antigone and Ismene are talking about what had happened with the Civil War. Where one of her two brothers is lying deep in the ground at peace, but the other is basically laying where he'd been killed. And Creon (spelled Kreon in this version) had ordered that no one shall bury him, even though he knows he can't go against what the gods think. This is why Creon is responsible for not only Anitgone's life, but also the life of his son who was engaged to Antigone.
2. I liked the poem Jocasta. I could see why she didn't see the signs that Oedipus was her own son. I could also see where the gods would want to play a game with her too. Like it was her fault for giving birth to such a horrid creature as Oedipus. Though Oedipus paid willingly for his wrongs and eventually went up to be with the gods. I'm just wondering how the story went through Laius' point of view. Did he really rape her? Or was he really drunk? There's a bunch of questions that could be better explained or an opinion on what happened with Laius instead of assuming he was completely horrible to Jocasta. We just have yet to see that side.
Jenny Hergert
ReplyDelete"Ah me! The fault is mine. On no one else,/ of all that live, the fearful guilt can come;/ I, even, did slay thee, wretched one,/ I; yes, I say it clearly. Come ye guards,/ Lead me forth quickly, lead me out of sight,/ More crushed to nothing than the dead unborn."
1). This quote, at the very end of the play, relates back to the themes in Oedipus Rex. Here, we see Creon go through almost the same process that Oedipus did. Both of them want to leave the city, where no one will ever have to look at them again. Oedipus for killing his father and sleeping with his mother and Creon for indirectly killing Antigone and his wife and son, and for going against the will of the gods. It relates back to the question of fate, whether it's predetermined or under your own control, and what are the consequences of trying to alter that fate.
2). I liked how the poet wrote the poem "Jocasta." I thought it was interesting how it switched between lines of narrative and lines from Jocasta's own thoughts. I also liked how it offered a new insight into why she may have not noticed the similarities between Oedipus and her baby and Laios. We knew that Laios was a bad guy, but through this poem, we can see that he took out his anger on those around him, especially those that are close to him. So, when Oedipus appeared in Thebes and treated Jocasta with care and respect, she may have been blinded to the fact of his resemblence to Laios simply because she was so much happier.
Katie Martens
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"I intend to give my brother burial. I'll be glad to die in the attempt, -- if it's a crime, then it's a crime that God commands." - Antigone
This quote is showing how Antigone defended herself after burying her brother Polythemas. In the story, she wants to give her brother the proper burial, no matter what the consequences are. In the end, she was punished for doing what was right. What I liked about this quote was that she did not lie about what she did, but she strongly defended it. Finally, this quote gives foreshadowing for Antigone’s death at the end of the story. You can clearly see that because Antigone died for doing something good, she can be considered a tragic hero.
I found it interesting that the poem Jocasta gave more insight about each of the characters in the play. The poem gave the narrator’s opinions on the intentions of characters, whereas in the play Oedipus Res, this was left up to the reader. I liked how in the poem I was left with much less unanswered questions. which I believe was the intention of the author who wrote the poem.
Laura Ahlrep
ReplyDelete"Oh, let it come, let it appear, that fairest of fates for me, that brings my last day,-aye, best fate of all! Oh, let it come, that I may never look upon to-morrow's light."
This quote is from Creon when he finds out that both his wife and son have commited suicide from his doing. He has reached the bottom of everything and calls upon the fate that Thiresias spoke of before. He calls upon the fate to come because he has nothing left in this life and says that his death will be the best fate at this time. This idea related back to Oedipus and how his fate ended in him having nothing left in the world but instead Creon is deciding to do away with life when Oedipus accepted his fate and hid away even if death was easier.
In the poem "Jocasta" I thought it was interesting how you got to see the scene where Jocasta kills herself by hanging herself unlike in Oedipus Rex where all you did was hear of the queen being found dead. Also I found it interesting how they they tied love into the story as being an all powerful precense that can blind even the smartest people or bring the greatest joy. Love was made out in this play as dangerous yet so great at the same time which is very true in life today.
Lexy Kaftan
ReplyDeleteISMENE
A hopeless quest should not be made at all.
This is after Antigone tells Ismene that she is going to bury her brother even though she knows she will be punished. Ismene tells her this because she fears for her sisters life and doesnt want to lose her life it will have no effect well that and the fact she is engaged already. She is very scared of dying for her brother because in her and creon's mind giving the man the burial he deserves. She doesnt see what Antigone sees the fact that in doing the so called wrong thing to do she is doing the right thing morally.
The poem Jocaste gave us alot of insight to how Jocaste knew about the affair that Laios with crisipus and how Laios was abusive and she was never happy through out the marriage.
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ReplyDeleteErik Enselman
ReplyDeleteWhat sayest thou? What living man hath dared this deed?
This is Creon talking to the guard about how someone has buried the body. Creon is furious because he declared that anyone who bury the body is doomed to death. I do not think that he really knows who did it and if he would actually kill them.
The poem Jocasta told us more about Jocasta and Oedipus. It showed us hwo she didnt really know that Oedipus was her son and it told us more about her and Layos's relationship togethor.
Tori Weisel
ReplyDelete“There’s nothing, no pain-our lives are pain-no private shame, no public disgrace, nothing I haven’t seen in your grief and mine” (Antigone).
1. This quote is from the beginning of the story when Antigone is talking to Ismene. Antigone is talking about how both hers and Ismene’s lives will always be full of griefs because of what Oedipus did. They will have grief after grief and the next one that they have to deal with is that Creon will not let their brother Polynieces have a proper burial. This quote shows that Anitgone is stronger and will stand up for what she believes in and Ismene is more fearful and just wants to do what the law says and will not go against it.
2. The poem “Jocasta” helped me to better understand how Jocasta never knew that Oedipus was her son. When we first read Oedipus I couldn’t understand how she didn’t know because it seemed so obvious that Oedipus was her son. I can also now see how Jocasta thought her son was dead and how she wasn’t able to see the similarities between Oedipus and Laius because she was blinded by the light of the Gods. Oedipus made her feel young again so being his wife was all she could think about.
Nik Toor
ReplyDeleteAntigone-
"Yes. I’ll do my duty to my brother—and yours as well, if you’re not prepared to. I won’t be caught betraying him."
1. This shows how serious Antigone really is about her feelings on what's right and what's wrong and her belief that even as a woman she should have the power to go against a man's wishes. It also shows that even before Ismene said she didn't want to go against the law Antigone already doubted Ismene's strength and her determination to do what she thinks is right. I think Antigone believes in the Greek belief that if you don’t get buried that you will never have your soul put to rest more so then Ismene because Ismene seemed to not worry about her own brothers well being as much as Antigone.
2. The poem Jocasta really makes it seem like Jocasta had no idea Oedipus was her son. It makes Jocasta sound completely innocent and seems to turn it into a pity story when she kills herself when she supposedly had no idea who Oedipus was and was supposedly "blinded by the Gods", but this is just one view of her side in the story Oedipus Rex. I think she should have put two and two together and realized when Oedipus arrived, how much he looked like Laios, the marks on Oedipus ankles, and to me the most obvious his name which apparently literally means "swollen foot". I think Jocasta brought this upon herself because she ignored all the signs and her husband was just killed so she must have been thinking about the prophecy and what they did to their son.
April Dick
ReplyDelete"Oh rather let us think, 'tis not for us, who are but women, to contend with men: And the king's word is mighty, and to this, and harsher words than this, we needs must bow." -Ismene
1. Usually, the women in classic literature do what is expected of them and display complete subordination. Ismene is a prime example of this sort of female role. Though she knows burying her brother is the right thing to do in terms of loyalty to her family, doing so would go against Creon. On the other hand, Antigone displays the atypical female role because she knows that giving a proper burial will leave her brother at peace. These differing female roles represent the two contrasting forces at hand: obedience and impulse.
2. "Jocasta" gives us another perspective on Oedipus. Although the signs were obvious and it would have been easy for most people to see the connections, we see the story through an emotionally traumatized character. When you are as deeply in love as Jocasta and you have had a flawed marriage, sometimes you can't apply logic to your life and you allow your emotions to become your deciding factor. Yes, Jocasta definitely takes it to an extreme, but it's relatively common for emotions to rule out logic.
Samielle Foltz
ReplyDeleteAntigone: “Fear not for me: guide thine own fate aright.”
This quote was taken from the conversation between Antigone and Ismene. In this quote Antigone is telling her sister to take her fate into her own hands. Ismene has already told Antigone that she does not want to take part in the breaking of Creons established law not to burry their brother. Gathering from Antigone's point of view it is their fate or divine duty to go against Creon's word. But since Ismene doesn't want to take part she's really taking her fate into her own hands. Either way she may live or die on her own accord. They are really examples of two different kinds of people. Ismene, the kind of person that goes against fate and Antigone, the kind of person that embraces her fate. For neither, their future in the living world doesn't look too bright but according to what we do in life may determine our after life's direction despite the consequences we may experience in the living world. That we should stick to our guns and stand up for what we believe in. However, in Oedipus Rex, Oedipus tried to take his fate into his own hands and failed to do so considering everything that was said to happen did.
In the poem of Jocasta it's easy to say that we gained a few more ideas as to why Jocasta chose to do what she had done. For example the possibility of a bad marriage with her first husband, Laios, and why she may have been attracted to Oedipus in the first place and how her motives aided the outcome of the gods prophecy concerning Oedipus. She did after all marry her own son and had a couple of children with him. It doesn't matter if she was blinded to the evidence surrounding the possibility of Oedipus being her own son. According to the poem it appeared that her blindness was by her own accord, not by the gods. Even if Jocasta's actions were under the direction of the gods we understand her direction in a humanistic manner.
Savannah Guillen
ReplyDelete“Don’t pray any more; it is not for mortals to escape our destined misfortune.”
1. This is a quote from the Chorus towards the very end of the book. I thought it was interesting because usually whenever there is misfortune, the people prayed to the gods to take mercy on them. But now it seems as if the characters of Antigone have taken on a more pessimistic view of life in which you are unable to ward off bad luck with any amount of praying. The misfortune began with the prophecy of Oedipus, continued with the deaths of the two brothers, and ended with Antigone’s suicide. However, the misfortune continues in Creon’s family as well, with the deaths of Haimon and Eurydice.
2. I thought the Jocasta poem was a good representation of exactly what Jocasta was feeling as the prophecy of Oedipus unraveled her life. First she vehemently denied the fact that the prophecy could have come true, but later, she realizes that Oedipus is actually her son as well as her husband. The poem made me feel sympathetic towards Jocasta because she had finally found a husband who loved and cared about her, especially after being married to Laios, who treated her horribly. But instead she discovers that the man she loved as her husband was also her own son, which is an unfair punishment because Jocasta was innocent while Laios was the guilty one.
Kirsten Zoba
ReplyDelete1)"It is not right/If I am wrong. But if I am young, and right,/ What does my age matter?"
This quote brings up the issue of the famale role because during Haimon and Creon's discussion they bring of the rights of females. They state that they would be opposed to letting a woman control their lives and that age is also a factor in power.
2) The poem "Jocasta" gives us insight on how she managed to live with her son despite all of his telltale signs. In regards to the reader, hearing Jocasta's point of view allows for a greater understanding and acceptance of her flaws in thinking and her desperation.
My own flesh and blood—dear sister, dear Ismene, how many grief’s our father Oedipus handed down! Do you know one, I ask you, one grief that Zeus will not perfect for the two of us while we still live and breathe?
ReplyDeleteThe Antigen’s first word was my own flesh and blood, that concern with the family relationship. She says in the Oedipus family there is comparison in grief and family relationship. The idea that shows that is there is no shame or no public disgrace. Cause, there is still hope, and to show the face to public. It doesn’t matter and there is no pain or nor she hasn’t seen grief in there’s.
The interesting of about the poem was that the poem was written by point of view of Jocasta and the play Oedipus Rex was written by point of view of different character and there point of view. For example, in the poem it mentions that “The baby cries, and Laius turns away. He summons a servant and orders me to hand my baby over, threatening me when I cry. The king will keep his own hands clean” This shows the opinion of Jocasta and telling that how she feels about the Oedipus and the family relationship
Brody Hovatter
ReplyDelete"I'm simply powerless to act against this city's law."
This is what Ismene says to her sister Antigone as she attempts to disuade her from going against the law and burying their brother. Their brother, who is considered an anarchist, was killed in battle and denied a proper burial. This is extremely bothersome to his loved ones, as proper burial was very important in those times. Ismene claims that she is simply powerless in this city, meaning that she has no say in what goes on because she is a woman. This statement helps to support the theme of woman being powerless during those times.
I thought that the poem "Jocasta" was very intriguing, and it helped me to better understand the relationship shared between Jocasta and Oedipus. In Oedipus Rex, very little is described with regard to how Jocasta and Oedipus came to be together and how their love for one another grew. After reading the poem, their relationship made a lot more sense and I found myself feeling much more sympathetic towards them then I had before.
Mark Galambos
ReplyDeleteThe poem "Jocasta" was written from the point of view of Oedipus' mother and wife, Iocaste. It allowed us to entere the mind of another character in the story, which gives us a completly different look on how details were played out. Before reading the poem Jocasta, I felt as though she always knew about Oedipus. She seemed weak, scared of the prohpets and always hesitant when taking people's advice, yet after reading the poem, my opinion has changed.
Jocasta was convinced that the prophecy was false, I have complete sympathy with her. She believed that her son was dead and for that reason I don't blame her for not realizing that her son was in fact Oedipus.
Craig Thomas
ReplyDelete“That is the truth; but you were late in learning it.” (242)
1) this quote seemed like a theme for the whole book. Alot of the characters in this story learned something or discovered something but normally after it was to late.
2) Jocaste poem offered me alot of insight on jocaste thoughts and feelings throughout the play. It let me understand how bad she felt and why she didnt really see it coming at all
Brian Gleadle
ReplyDelete"My own brother and your I will! If you will not, I will: I shall not prove disloyal./ You are mad! When creon has forbidden it? / From mine own. He has to right to stay me."
1. This quote was a conversation between Antigone and her sister Ismene. They are talking about Creon's proclamation that no one shall try and burn Oedipus (their father) and Antigone believes Creon has no right to bar her from giving her father a proper burial. Ismene trys to stop her by saying that Oedipus was a vile and dishonoured man who was blinded by his own hands. This conversation establishes the main theme and idea for the whole book, that being that, should we do what we believe is correct or what the law says is correct.
2. The poem Jocasta displayed how the Gods were ruling Jocasta's fate and how they blinded her from seeing the Oedipus was her own son. She believed that he was killed and taken care of as a baby and so there was no possible way for him to have come back from the dead and married her. She could have figured it out but since she believed he was dead she didnt think there would be any reason to dig further into the problem.
Derek Decker
ReplyDeleteThe poem "Jocasta" offers more insight into Jocasta's relationship with Oedipus. We see how life for her was difficult when she was with Laius, who abused her and treated her horribly even as he raped a defenseless child. Jocasta is clearly traumatized that she had to have her little boy left on a mountain to die because some prophet said that this boy would be the bane of Laius. The reader can thus understand why Oedipus is so important to her, because she could finally love and be loved in return. This is why it matters not to her that she is at once his wife and his mother.
Leslee Fall
ReplyDelete"By my stubbornness, oh my son, so young, to die so young, and all because of me." (Creon)
This is the part in the book where Creon realizes his mistake. It leads to the main theme in the book where Creon's arrogance gets the best of him. It made him make some bad decisions in the play and because of that he lost his son. It shows that Creon was not being a wise king by not listening to others and what they need. Creon learns this lesson only when it is too late.
In the poem i understood Jocasta's past better and why things turned out the way they did for her. I never understood how blind she was of Oedipus till i read the poem. She had no control of her fate and even though she tried to do the right thing and get rid of Oedipus when he was a baby she couldn't get away from him and ended up marrying her son anyways.
Dan McMIllan
ReplyDeleteIn regards to the poem of Jocasta I beleive that she did know that Oedipus was her son. To be completely honest, how could you not know something like that? I think that the poem did much better job of emphasizing on her emotions and how she portrayed her husband as if they wernt related yet still had hints here in there showing that it was definatly possible for Jocasta to be her husbands mother.
Maxx Forde
ReplyDelete"My nails are broken, my fingers are bleeding, my arms are covered with the welts left by the paws of your guards—but I am a queen!"
Basically, in this quote, Antigone is saying that even though she is physically broken down, she still has her honor. She is saying these words in defiance of Creon, showing him that she will not regret doing what she did for her brother. It further shows the motives and morales behind Antigone if they were not already clear enough.
As far as the poem, it was weird to see how she was thinking when she realized that Oedipus was in fact her son. Just the whole thought process behind trying to keep him from finding out and everything was rather bizarre.
Jade Baumann
ReplyDelete"What, what fate still awates me?" (creon)
This quote represents a huge theme in the play Antigone, along with the play Oedipus rex. Over the course of both plays, Creon faced a huge challenge of status change. He was happy as a nobody, just the brother of the queen, another person of the kingdom. But when fate murdered the king and queen, and he was moved to power, his whole life changed, only to get worse. When he comes to find that fate also kills his son, wife, nieces, nephews, and brother in law, Creon is left alone. It has taken everything worth living for already. So he asks, "What fate still awaits me?" Creon is wondering what else is in store to make his life worse.
The poem Jocasta did a great job portraying Jocasta's point of view during the play Oedipus rex. In the play, her part was just shown as what she did, and the reasoning for why she did what she did, and her thoughts, her mistakes, they were all explained in the poem Jocasta. After reading this poem, i gained more respect for her, when before i couldn't understand why she did some of the things she did in the play.